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A Well, first I thought it was the maid. I thought the first body I seen was the maid. Now, I've seen everything, and then, you know, they kept walking and they had their arms, you know, taking me along and I seen the other one. And I got to the car and that was when I seen it was Steve's car, and they found him in his car. Q You saw Steve's car? A Yes, and his body was in it. Q His what? A His body was in it. Q You saw that? A Yes. Q And it was Steve? A I don't know. I really didn't see that clearly. I didn't take that good a look. I just seen the body. Q You saw a body in it, it could be anybody? A Yes. Q It was Steve's car? You know this? A Yes. Q It was Steve's car? A Uh huh. It's really-- Q Huh? A It's really frightening. Q Frightening? A Yeah. Q Now, what do you know from what you've heard; what Page 22 you've been told has occurred there? A Well, see, well they threw some parties there before, you know--I mean, maybe--well, they threw a large party one time. There's Abigail Folger and young Polanski, and they had quite a few people there. There was cars parked all the way down Bella, and they had a band there, you know, and they had ten cases of champagne; they had beer and they had about three car--three parking lot attendants parking cars, and then about--I don't know how many people serving drinks and everything. Because that's the only, you know, great big party they've had--they had while Mrs. Polanski and Mr. Polanski were in Europe. And then when they got back--I mean when Mrs. Polanski got back, they--I seen--well, maybe one time there was probably about ten cars there, a real small party they had. And that's as far as I know there was parties going on there. That was it. Then that night, you know, they didn't have any party or anything--not that I know of. Q Did they invite you to the parties? A None. Q Why not? A I don't know. Well, actually they didn't know me or anything. I don't see why they should. Q Did you talk to them during the daytime when they were sitting around the pool, or did you go around the pool and swim when they were there? Page 23 A I swim one--I swim there a few times when they were there but not very often. Q Talk with them? Friendly? A Yes, but not very often. I very seldom I ever spoke to them. Q Now, again, what has happened? What did happen when Steve left? A That was it. That's all I know. Q As far as you know now, what has happened? A Yes. When he left, that was it. Q Well, you saw three bodies? A Yes. Q Is that it? A Yes. Q There are no more involved? A That was it as far as--well, then I heard later on Q That's what I want to know. A Yeah, I heard later on from my attorney that there was two bodies hanging in the room or something. I don't know. That was what he said. He said he shouldn't even be telling me, but he told me or something. Q That makes five? A That's what I heard from a detective down there that there was five bodies slain or something. Q How were they killed? A I don't know. Well, I heard Steve was shot. Page 24 (missing from the original copy) Page 25 Q Where you live? A Yes. Q Your front door? How many doors enter into that place? A Four. Q Four? A There's four. There's a back door, and there's a door where the dogs' room is, and there is a door into the back yard in back, and then there is a door where they'd come in. Q During this--after Steve left, Christopher barks? A Well, he barked when Steve was there, too. Q Well does he usually just bark? A Not unless somebody's--somebody's around. Q Around where? A Around the house or something. Q Okay, Steve was there and Christopher was nervous and barking; is that it? A Well, he barked then, and then Steve says, "What's the matter with Christopher?" And I said, "Oh, I don't know, he usually barks." Q Okay, did he bark when Steve arrived? A Yes. Q Did you know that Steve--that somebody was coming before Steve walked in and knocked on the door? A Yes. Page 26 Q Because Christopher was barking? A Yes, and then when Steve was in the house, Christopher was barking some more. Q Some more? A Yes, and then when he left. You know, that was it; and then later on he started barking at something. Q Now, what about--a door handle; what do you mean? A Well, I was writing the letters on the couch and Christopher started barking, you know. I didn't pay any attention and then I looked up and the door knob was turned Q What do you mean? A Well, it's one of these, you know, you'd have to see it. It sticks out like this. It was one of these kind of a--well, you know, on the outside it's a regular door knob Q Yes. A And on the inside, you know, it's like a stick or something. Q It's a handle? A Yes. Q But it is a square--bar handle? A Yeah, a bar handle. Q Okay, what about it? A It was turned, you know, down. Q What does that mean? A I don't know what it meant, you know, it wasn't like that before. As far as I know. I mean, you know, Page 27 Christopher is barking and everything, and I looked up and nothing is there, and the door handle is turned. Q Did it move while you're looking at it or just is in a different position? A It was just in a different position. Q Is that the unlocked position, down? A No, well, I had the doors locked. Q Is there a slide bolt or something that locks the door beside this door handle? A No, see there's a lock that you turn, you know, and it locks the door and that's it. Q Well, tell me what it meant to you when you looked and saw the door handle was down? A It just kind of frightened me a little bit; that was it. Q Well, what position is the door handle normally in? A Well, it's usually straight across. Q Okay, is this the door Steve left out of? A Yes. Q And did you close that door when he left? A When he left? Yes. Q You closed it and locked it? A I don't--I locked it, yes. Q You didn't remember--you don't remember messing with the door handle, or was it in the horizontal position Page 28 then, or what? A I don't--I don't actually remember. Q So it could have been down when Steve left? A Yes, but I shut the door and then I locked it--I don't know if I shut it or not, but I know I locked the door. Q All right. When Steve leaves, what do you do? Do you walk out to the car with him, say good night? A No. Q Why not? A I never do when somebody leaves, you know, that comes around, walk out of the house with them. Q You left right--left him at the front door? A Yes. Q Did he say anything; that he was going to stop by and talk to the people at the house? A No, he didn't say anything like that. Q But he asked you questions about them? A Yes, he asked me questions about them. Q All right, Steve's aware there's people in the house? A Yes. Q He asks you who are the two ladies--how does he know there's two ladies in the house? A He saw them when he came in. Q How does he see them? I haven't been there. You Page 29 tell me how he sees them. A Well, I don't know how he saw them but I mean, you know, you walk down the path when, you know, you come back to the guest house. You don't go across the front yard or anything; and he said that there was two ladies over there in the main house. There was a great big window you could probably see them through that. Q Uh huh. A That's how--probably how he saw them. Q When you went out and came back with your TV dinner, did you see them there? A No. Q What did you see? A I didn't see anything. I just seen the cars there, around seven. Q There were cars there? A Yes. Q What did you hear? A I didn't hear anything. Q And you didn't see anything? A Yes. Q But Steve did? A Well, he seen the two girls, and he asked me who they were. Q Did you know they were there? A Well, they are always usually at night. Page 30 Q But you didn't see them when you came back? Why not? A Well, I don't make it a habit to looking in their window or anything. Q Well, you don't deliberately turn the other way, do you? A Well, the--well, I just walk down the path. Q All right. In the time that you have been there, and the time that Tate or Polanski, whatever the name she goes by, has been back from Europe? A Yes. Q And you've been walking by this house every time you go out? A Yes. Q What-- A Well, sometimes I can look in that direction, they might be in the front room, you know, it's hard to say but I didn't see them that night. Q What have you seen in that house, ever? More particularly since she's been back from Europe that is unusual, unique, different, or has attracted your attention? A Uhm, well, that Porsche--that black Porsche is usually parked there. That was about it. Q Who owns the black Porsche? A I don't have the slightest idea who owns the black Porsche. |
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